Comments on: In Praise of Shame http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/ Catholic Anglican Reflections on Theology and Culture Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:19:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: <![CDATA[Janet leslie Blumberg]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-85 Thu, 24 May 2007 19:24:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-85 Have you-all seen Zizek's little book "How to Read Lacan"? It's absolutely a classic! Maybe it'll help me understand Aron's post?! I'm kidding... Have you-all seen Zizek’s little book “How to Read Lacan”? It’s absolutely a classic! Maybe it’ll help me understand Aron’s post?! I’m kidding…

]]> By: <![CDATA[Janet leslie Blumberg]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-84 Sun, 20 May 2007 21:32:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-84 Is this Lacan, then, with the YHWH behind the veil? Sorry to be so literalistic, but there's the "mercy seat" behind the veil,where the blood of the ram once a year is placed, shroulded by the two cherubim, and the ark of the covenant is there...? <br/> But I love the idea of YHWH being there... And if the Word or Image dwells always within the Trinity, then perhaps the atoning sacrifice has always dwelt there too? ("Slain from before the foundations of the world")Letting shame play its role within love's communion, while cleansing away guilt? Is this Lacan, then, with the YHWH behind the veil? Sorry to be so literalistic, but there’s the “mercy seat” behind the veil,where the blood of the ram once a year is placed, shroulded by the two cherubim, and the ark of the covenant is there…?
But I love the idea of YHWH being there… And if the Word or Image dwells always within the Trinity, then perhaps the atoning sacrifice has always dwelt there too? (”Slain from before the foundations of the world”)Letting shame play its role within love’s communion, while cleansing away guilt?

]]> By: <![CDATA[A.D.]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-83 Sat, 19 May 2007 21:35:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-83 you know, i think that Lacan may have made some comments on the temple/tabernacle, but I'd have to do some searching. I just read something today (Jameson in Lacan: The Silent Partners) that made me realize I need to get Seminar VII where Lacan does some really interesting things with the ten commandments. Perhaps what is most interesting about the veil/holy of holies is that what exists behind the veil is no image but simply word: YHWH you know, i think that Lacan may have made some comments on the temple/tabernacle, but I’d have to do some searching. I just read something today (Jameson in Lacan: The Silent Partners) that made me realize I need to get Seminar VII where Lacan does some really interesting things with the ten commandments. Perhaps what is most interesting about the veil/holy of holies is that what exists behind the veil is no image but simply word: YHWH

]]> By: <![CDATA[D. W. McClain]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-82 Sat, 19 May 2007 18:36:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-82 Janet, I've included a link to Davis' blog in our non-thematic section of links, although I really should change that heading to non-academic-themes - I just hate the moniker "non-academic". Anyway, please be sure to visit his page, as there are some really amazing images, and even more illuminating reflections on the images (talk about my giving priority to text over image! Time for me to take a break from writing).<br/><br/>I don't have many references for you here, re: Lacanian aesthetics, or even the use of images for Holy Week, but Davis lent us a book last year by Rowan Williams on reflections icons of the Madonna and child. As I wrote this comments, I discovered another contemplative book of icons of Christ, also by williams, and another by Nouwen. I've added them to my Amazon wishlist so you all could see them in one spot.<br/>http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/38WUAWVDBZKYT/ref=wl_web/ Janet, I’ve included a link to Davis’ blog in our non-thematic section of links, although I really should change that heading to non-academic-themes - I just hate the moniker “non-academic”. Anyway, please be sure to visit his page, as there are some really amazing images, and even more illuminating reflections on the images (talk about my giving priority to text over image! Time for me to take a break from writing).

I don’t have many references for you here, re: Lacanian aesthetics, or even the use of images for Holy Week, but Davis lent us a book last year by Rowan Williams on reflections icons of the Madonna and child. As I wrote this comments, I discovered another contemplative book of icons of Christ, also by williams, and another by Nouwen. I’ve added them to my Amazon wishlist so you all could see them in one spot.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/38WUAWVDBZKYT/ref=wl_web/

]]> By: <![CDATA[Janet leslie Blumberg]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-81 Fri, 18 May 2007 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-81 Aron, or Davis, first, where are these images? Where do we find "Davis's" blog?<br/>Second, I've been struck by the daily office of Morning Prayer in BCP, in its sentences of praise to be used for the season of Easter, one of which says that Christ has entered through the veil into the true sanctuary, not the one on earth made with hands that is its copy... The Old Testament readings have taken us back to that Holy of Holies a number of times lately. I've been pondering this emphasis, that Yahweh wants Moses to make this Tabernacle according to very exact instructions, because it re-enacts something REAL in the beyond, in the presence of God. We know that when Jesus died, "the veil was rent from top to bottom." I've always been fascinated by the architecture of the Tabernacle, "the Tent of Meeting," and later the Temple, and with the sacrifices carried on within it. I wonder what the Lacanian schema for our enigmatic human condition suggests about this visual/symbolic context (from Hebraic history) that is already in place, "in the fulness of times," for the interpretation of "the mighty acts of God" that we attempt to contemplate and re-connect with and re-enact during Holy Week? Your thoughts? Or is anyone you know of writing on this? (I'll check the Copjek essay and the whole collection, thanks!) Aron, or Davis, first, where are these images? Where do we find “Davis’s” blog?
Second, I’ve been struck by the daily office of Morning Prayer in BCP, in its sentences of praise to be used for the season of Easter, one of which says that Christ has entered through the veil into the true sanctuary, not the one on earth made with hands that is its copy… The Old Testament readings have taken us back to that Holy of Holies a number of times lately. I’ve been pondering this emphasis, that Yahweh wants Moses to make this Tabernacle according to very exact instructions, because it re-enacts something REAL in the beyond, in the presence of God. We know that when Jesus died, “the veil was rent from top to bottom.” I’ve always been fascinated by the architecture of the Tabernacle, “the Tent of Meeting,” and later the Temple, and with the sacrifices carried on within it. I wonder what the Lacanian schema for our enigmatic human condition suggests about this visual/symbolic context (from Hebraic history) that is already in place, “in the fulness of times,” for the interpretation of “the mighty acts of God” that we attempt to contemplate and re-connect with and re-enact during Holy Week? Your thoughts? Or is anyone you know of writing on this? (I’ll check the Copjek essay and the whole collection, thanks!)

]]> By: <![CDATA[Davis]]> http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-80 Fri, 18 May 2007 19:43:00 +0000 http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/05/18/in-praise-of-shame/#comment-80 Remember that it the eastern churches the icon is seen as such a veil through which we see into heaven. This is no less true - I maintain - in the western churches and cultures. Remember that it the eastern churches the icon is seen as such a veil through which we see into heaven. This is no less true - I maintain - in the western churches and cultures.

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